I think as Pat was saying you know 35 to 50 pounds on a male be reasonable range whereas mountain lions you're up to 100 110 maybe even 130 pounds on a big male. Patrick Tate: Martin Like what about Panther Panther saying animals same animal and like a bit of trivia Guinness Book of World Records says the animal with the most names is in English alone they're supposedly 40 names for Mount lion. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. Give today. BUT THAT SAID, Id love to be proven wrong. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. Post your sightings and NH photos here! Is there something particularly hospitable about New Hampshire Forests that make them want to come here. I tracked cats and all the western states. Give us a call if you have a question or comments or story about perhaps seeing a mountain lion here in New Hampshire. Are there mountain lions in New Hampshire? : r/newhampshire - reddit And so so with their limited staff and limited budget that is that is more and more limited every year because you know fewer people are buying hunting and fishing licenses. JavaScript must be enabled for some features to display properly. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. Well within there. You're on the air. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. HOLDERNESS, N.H. (AP) Two of the known mountain lions in New Hampshire have spent their 15 years in close proximity to humans. For all the men out there that don't realize it. All they think it traveled north through Canada up you know crossed across the Great Lakes and then and then down again through New York State. Peter Biello: Today on the program Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist and far better project leader Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in which is about the natural world and how we use it. And maybe it's a no holds barred nostalgia for a better world a wild or Fuller world not a world that's constrained by our boundaries and our taxes and our highways. So for those reasons I don't believe the standards are too high the amount of game cameras out on the landscape to record images department alone through contracts had over 150 throughout the state biologists go through various deer yards throughout the year. N.H. WMUR uLocal: On this trail cam video, an unidentified feline is spotted. Right. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part I And when provoked no animal could stand before him elegantly put. But if people are still seeing mountain lions, why is the state and federal government seeking to COVER IT UP!? Seems reasonable! Patrick Tate: While a juvenile not a juvenile I guess if you want nodes to the base of the tail for juvenile that wouldn't be small at all. So here we have you know a very qualified biologist who who found a print took a plaster cast found a scat send it to a university. There were several sightings in CT over the last few months. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. However, as far as I can tell theres no Deep State Conspiracy to cover up a breeding population of cougars in the Granite State. Mountain Lions | Wildlife | New Hampshire Fish and Game Department N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. 19 He writes As a farmer I come across many outdoorsman looking to hunt our property had a conversation with one who believed very strongly that we had mountain lions in New Hampshire. Patrick Tate: Okay. Chartered 1973; Member of District 44-H; . People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. Mountain lions (especially males) have incredibly large ranges that they defend from rivals. We speculate they dont want us to screw up tourism we dont know whats going on. The females disperse a shorter range and once they find a vacant home range they stay in that location and live there. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II - WMUR But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. I can't tell you what you saw but it sounds like a mountain lion. Russ, from Sandwich (and Bedford) asks: In Sandwich New Hampshire, everybody has a story about seeing a mountain lion. The tail leave is a giveaway but not everybody gets to see the tail. They lived perhaps elsewhere in New England and they were just passing through and happened to have an encounter of some sort. A monthly donation of $5 makes a real difference. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. It all used to be based on measurable physical traits color, skull size, paw size, etc but now its based on whether an animal can be shown to be genetically distinct from others. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. It traveled all the way from from you know Minnesota to New York without being so seen Patrick take. Mike Guyton pressure was almost Greyhound like very muscular large back legs on it and the coloration on it was almost an orange brownish orange color and so I stop and I look at this thing in the field and as the animal looks at me the face was very chiseled definitely not a bobcat. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Part II Let's talk to Mike in Webster. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. Residents believe cougars still roam New Hampshire's forests. So that that's more or less I think why I'm here and why I got into this in nineteen ninety nine I found a what appeared to be a print of a mountain lion and that was in the Osprey mountains and I thought well OK that's that's a print. They were able to do all that by genetics. For instance, Floridas wildlife officials have a similar ghost cat: the black panther. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction 3,207 views Jul 31, 2019 78 Dislike Share Save New Hampshire Fish and Wildlife 634 subscribers During my thirty-one career at the New. In my New Hampshire career I have written several, and seen at least 20, stories along the lines of "local person thinks they saw a mountain lion but there's no actual evidence aside from. And because you know things flow downhill and I was pushed to go investigate it more and met with the individual two or three times and there was a bunch of inconsistencies about the photograph. That's what we're seeing is dispersing mountain lions from the West who are just making their way through. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. They don't know the direction they're going. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. Patrick Tate: Well I've never seen an Easter cougar so I can't say when I've handled these 10 cougars and whatnot. The supervisor that hired me in the game division in October of 1978 passed on to me this whole big folder of mountain lion information and sightings going back probably a couple decades. The Eastern mountain lion is extinct in the eastern United States and Canada, but in 2011, a . There have been several sightings of mountain lions in New Hampshire recently. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. So it's six months of a large large predatory animal that moves great distances on the landscape that is not known if it went northeast west Salt and how many circles it did. Sam. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. Sam Evans-Brown: Well and I think and the last takeaway here is everyone I think probably agrees that any possible sightings that have been seen. Peter Biello: Well yeah. I think that you probably are. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. Sam Evans-Brown: So I just had two thoughts which is that we hear a lot of these stories and all of us here have heard these stories. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. Yes. Caller: Yeah. Well let's talk a little bit about that. Using DNA and physical evidence, state environmental officials said they determined that the animal. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Mike you're on the air. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. Mountain Lions in New Hampshire-Fact or Fiction. So and so the idea that they can follow up on every individual sighting is just crazy right. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. Here it is. Your support makes this news available to everyone. What's interesting about Bobcats is here in the Northeast we have some very large bobcats. Patrick Tate: I've from all the situations I've read and learned about wildlife. Patrick Tate: So it's very typical. We have evidence and as biologists we would find it quite exciting to find that evidence of one in the state. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. Rick van de Poll: 80 90. And it was you know 10 or 12 people saw it all at once. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. Fish and Wildlife Service decided all of the cougars, pumas, and mountain lions in the country are actually the same species, and that species hasnt had a breeding population anywhere near the Northeast for at least 70 years. Do cougars live in New England? Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. To date most of the pictures that have been sent in have been bobcats and other species Ive received pictures of house cats. Right. NH Fish and Game Wildlife Biologist Patrick Tate reports that so far, mountain lion reports accompanied byphotographs have been misidentified bobcats or housecats, or pictures of mountain lions taken from the Internet and reported as being recorded in New Hampshire.