Reply More posts from r/LWRC. ALL of them were having stove pipe issues. Ships with 2 25 round US- manufactured UMP magazines with Paddle Style mag release for easy load and mag changes. Quick View. Powered by Invision Community. It's a weird setting, but it's VERY important for accuracy. This gun comes with 4 x 25 round magazines. Dont tell me about the top sold of anything. I asked, but the armorer is not saying anything. Been excited about this weapon since seeing early reports back in 2016. Dealer Locator to purchase this rifle. They sold the other two online almost instantly. If you have a question about an item, please call or e-mail for more information before placing your order. The main reason, I gather, APC45 is still a blowback. If you see one in a gun store all the people my age and below want to marvel at it, play with it and a bunch of them end up muzzling people with it. The Picatinny rail sitting along the 12 O'clock position allows you to mount your favorite optic easily and maintain zero with a strong lock-up. This is the 2nd one of these that I've owned. Figured a few others struggling with this problem might be interested in that update. I would suggest buying a UMP conversion if you want this sort of experience and want it to work. Please contact a dealer from our Reactions: Voyager1. Gunprime reserves the right to modify or change pricing information or descriptions without notice. It arrived back in my grubby hands today. The item you are trying to purchase is currently out of stock.Please enter your name, email, and phone number below. The B&T APC45 is less expensive and we feel better made. Pricey, but so much fun to shoot. Looking through the Manuel it does seem you can reassemble the gun incorrectly that could cause accuracy issues . What does this offer over that? Mine runs fine with and without my Obsidian 45. Its a .45 ACP subgun that takes HK UMP magazines. First few times taking apart and putting back together were painful but OK now that I know the tricks. On anything with a longer than 6 barrel, I agree with you. JavaScript is disabled. I elected to take the suppressor off and fine tune the zero. It was happening when shooting normally, as well as suppressed. The LWRC SMG-45 is a unique Submachine Gun that fires a larger .45 caliber cartridge, similar to its predecessor, the H&K UMP. Display as a link instead, Other than that its a well made rifle. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I've only taken it out once. All 4 feed perfectly in this gun. The most common delayed blowback is one implemented by H&K in MP-5 and G3. In my occupation with my team we needed something to fill the role between pistol and long gun so I have experience with a wide range of sub guns, but being left handed I always had to compromise with certain features and most platforms I used and trained with tended to have ambi controls that just seemed to be added as an afterthought. In the firearms industry often times you get what you pay for, and although the delayed blowback system is more expensive to produce, it keeps you on target and lengthens the firearms life due to lighter parts wear. LWRC surprised everyone at NRAAM this year by releasing a completely new platform, the SMG-45. Both mags worked flawlessly, but accuracy at about 20 yards was rubbish. That is sweet, but that price tag Wow, kinda surprised you actually got one, let alone two. That dude just needs more traffic and web hits to drive revenue. We will contact you as soon as this product is available. Would go with a BT APC .45. Very informative with him showing the "vertical flyer" as it was put. Now I have to fight her for it during couple shoots. It does seem like they refined it and made it more custom, I was thinking it would have a standard AR charging handle and be blow back, basically just an AR45. Serial number- 4AM00280. Still, video games get people into guns. I can't wait to see how the 9mm version shoots! Same thing with the Scorpion EVO pistols. Store Price Shipping rate Show more; Prepper Gun Shop. But $3k That's top end pricing man. It is longer than the existing spring but not quite as long as the V1 magazine spring and it's obviously not the same type of spring as the V1, its outward finish is the same as the Non-V1 Mag spring, NOT BLACK like the V1 Spring. Nice looking pcc/subgun! Designed on our proprietary Short Recoil/Delayed Blowback operating system the new SMG is lightweight - 5.9 lbs and compact folding to a mere 15.3". There are plenty of awesome PCC options on the market at 2/3 1/3 of that. Every shot is super-fun. Manufacturer: LWRC International Model: SMG Caliber: 45 Auto / ACP SKU: 850006403509 MPN: SMGPB45B8S UPC: 850006403509 Vendor: Gunprime (3) Sale! I looked into this too, BTDT. Unfortunately I hear the UMP is a big step down in quality from the MP5.. The highly anticipated SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI. All the groups were consistent and tight and I have NO stove pipe feed malfunctions with ANY of the magazines. We kept one as a demo for a few weeks and put several hundred rounds through it. I saw one of these on a tv gun show last week and started looking them up for extra info. They are very hard to find however & most you do find are MSRP $2999 or much more on Gunbroker, ect. Sure. ago You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. It may not display this or other websites correctly. I loves me some .45 but for $3k, Im taking Dan Wesson and S&W Performance Center 1911 bobtail commanders. ), yes Ive looked at the b&t but it just looks awful to me . Keeping the ergonomic traits from the AR platform and 000 UPC: 850006403509 MPN: SMGPB45B8S So basically its no better than UMP. I have fed it everything from +P 185 gr, to handloaded 200 gr LSWC and 230 gr ball and it didn't skip a beat. All Rights Reserved. The ambidextrous controls and MLOK handguard makes for a highly customizable weapons platform. The SMG 45 is exhibiting a problem the LWRC knows about, and now the market does too. Voyager1 Sergeant of the Hide. Speaking of backpack guns and PDWs, the collapsible length of a mere 15.3 inches with its SB tactical folding brace provides the handler high concealability. LWRCICR5TG16SPRBT. JavaScript is disabled. John 15:13 - "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.". Pics/specs/details? HK bUMP If any of you are looking for quality mags, HKparts just got more German HK UMP 45s magazines in. We both shot 1 inch groups from the standing position. I guess Im old fashioned. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Absolutely love this sub-gun and couldn't be happier with the fit, finish, accuracy or reliability. Same suppressor works flawlessly on my Sig P220. Nothing. LWRCSMG-45. Add To Cart. Mags are $60 from LWRC but UMP mags appear to be available elsewhere for around $45. .45ACP in nearly all but the very lightest bullet weights is subsonic, relatively low pressure, and has that cavernous barrel inside diameter to further dissipate gas volume. Active rebates (10) Winchester Target Rifle Ammo Rebate 2023. But I wanted a short .45. The new LWRCI SMG-45 is an extremely nice looking and feeling, high quality firearm. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Double check the back of the mags. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. LWRC SMG 45 for sale. I did get some early jams because I overloaded the mags right out of the package. You can tell if you have the upgraded magazines by looking on the back of the magazine at the very bottom it will say V1, This is 25 yards in Benchrest conditions using Remington 230 gr. Or have they paused it to work on the fix? freqchance SMG-45 reliability problems. Thats exactly why I posted this. I dunno about Rainbow Six but the original CS made the PSG-1, G3 and Styer Scout popular and MW3/The Division both made the Vector popular along with the Osprey line of suppressors from SiCo. While every effort is made to include accurate and correct images, descriptions and pricing for all products, inadvertent errors may occur. SMG .45 FEATURES: Fully Ambidextrous lower controls: AR Selector, bolt catch, grip and hammer/trigger allows easy operation for right or left handed shooters Innovative Paddle Style Mag release. Weight: 10.7 oz. At the very least hide the cash away for the unknown. With a relatively inexpensive 300 BLK upper, you get the same utility as the SMG at a fraction of the cost. The only thing I didnt really like on the full auto one I got to play with were the separate safety and fire rate controls. Naturally, the muzzle is threaded. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. Hi, I bought this weapon about 2 months ago. If they designed it for 45 ACP then its probably built to handle every other popular pistol cartridge: 9mm, 10mm, 40S&W, 357 Sig, etc. I shoot with a SilencerCo Omega 45K (with Neilsen/Booster) and sight is a Vortex AMG UH1 and it's totally solid at 10 yards, 25 yards, 50 yards, and I've even had some fun hitting 24"x24" steel plates at 200 yards (about a 50% hit rate). 81 rounds at my disposal topped off with a Leopoldo DPP. Personally, if I was going to buy something specifically because I saw it in a game it would be like the BFG from Doom, Gravity Gun from Half-Life or something crazy from Borderlands or the Destiny franchise. Select Options. It seem there is a flaw that causes horrible accuracy issues . Edited by BenelliHunter (01/11/23 08:27 PM) 2 mags are USA made and 2 mags are German made. Developed for the needs of a government contract back in 2015, this submachine gun (SMG) as LWRC calls it only recently came available in a pistol version available for the general public. GunZoneDeals. LWRC SMG 45/Striker 45, serious issues Garand Thumb 2.84M subscribers 24K 594K views 2 years ago https://simplisafe.com/garandthumb SimpliSafe is award-winning home security that keeps your. Try finding B&T APC 45 (blow back) mags for less than $90. Hopefully you are using the piston booster. LWRCI SMG .45- PISTOL CALIBER PERFECTION. (Which happens in under 2 seconds from a full giggle switch equipped Vector.) Im a big fan of the UMP, and this looks like it will be a good alternative to that! Thanks in advance. SMG Fixed Stock Adaptor . Ive read all the reviews and videos. That overarching cool factor combined with the general level of stupidity of the people picking it up repulses me. Serial number is in late 1100s with Winchester white box 230 gr. gunbroker rgf7018 Burnt Bronze DI w/ Vortex Razer too much color? 2.7kg. LWRC IC-SPR (CA Compliant) Rifle | ICR5B16SPRCAC 5.56 NATO (223 Rem), Semi-Automatic, 16.1" Spiral Fluted, Adjustable Stock, Black Anodized Finish, 12" Rail, Flip-Up Sights, 10+1 Rds Hinterland #: 66655 MFG #: ICR5B16SPRCAC In stock MAP: $2,334.70 Request a price Add to Wish List Add to Compare 74677 MFG #: Add to Wish List Add to Compare Low Stock Um nope. $23.75. LWRCI SHORT RECOIL DELAYED BLOWBACK SYSTEM, LWRCI HIGH PERFORMANCE ALUMINUM AND STEEL CONSTRUCTION, LWRCI REVERSABLE NON-RECIPROCATING FOLDING CHARGING HANDLE, LWRCI 8.5 COLD HAMMER FORGED CHROMOLY STEEL BARREL, HARDCOAT ANODIZED NITRIDE NICKEL BORON SURFACE COATINGS THROUGHOUT, SHOOTS SUPPRESSED USING A BOOSTER/NEILSON DEVICE. Yeah I thought they had given up on it. I have a CZ Scorpion 9mm and this one shoots much smoother and less fatigue. 0.450.45ACP. Recoil is minimal and similar to well tuned AR, but way less blast. Like other Submachine guns and PDWs, its concealability and suppressor abilities make it perfect for your new truck gun or home defense weapon. 578-28 RH RIFLING: 1:16 RH | 6 Grooves Features: LWRCI SHORT RECOIL DELAYED BLOWBACK SYSTEM LWRCI HIGH PERFORMANCE ALUMINUM AND STEEL CONSTRUCTION LWRCI RAIL PANELS As I stated above, accuracy was garbage. Sponsored Content $589.00 BrianEnos.com In store pick-ups will have a transfer fee. Brand MARK 7 Expiration date 2023-Mar-31. LWRCI Enhanced Fire Control Group. Add to Cart. Any updates yet? $120.64. Its junk. This in vogue offering from LWRC can be easily understood considering the recent uptick in pistol caliber carbines (PCC), but what makes this product different than other offerings? Mags are back in stock at LWRCI, just grabbed 2 more! Can't disagree more with the guy that said "If you know AR's, you'll know this". You are using an out of date browser. $218.40. I have an opportunity to pick up one of these for a smoking deal (around $2500 in trade). When I heard they were finally releasing the smg I was excited just got mine and it was totally worth every penny.. you get what you pay for already filed my tax stamp for SBR.. just need to know where to buy the stock! I picked one up a few weeks ago. HKUMPUMP45. But when you can have those 25 rounds hanging off the gun just forward the trigger then youve drastically changed a factor in caliber choice. It is multicaliber and I'm told there will be a 9mm conversion in the future. Or it will group ok and them have 7-9 flyers . A $3K toy that most people couldnt afford to keep fueled. Using the factory V1 mags, I put through 25 rounds of Federal aluminum case and 25 rounds of 230 ball reloads. Would have fun owning it if I could afford such an extravagance and all that money to keep it well fed. Its an outstanding round to suppress, and efficient to run in 6-12 barrels. I feel for the guys that are struggling with accuracy issues, but I'm not one of them. This baby eats everything and is now my full time travel companion (sorry mpx-k) totally worth the wait an the price. If you want to spend less than half for a legit 45 ACP AR upper, get a Macon Armory DI45. I saw the same video this afternoon as well. Hits hard and consistent. I was really looking forward to buying one soon but now I'm going to have to hold off. Im extremely excited to hopefully put some rounds through one eventually. It's an added bonus that it's coming from a company with great people that are very helpful if you ever have the pleasure to call them. I have the chance to get one in the next 6 days or so but I am very very very on the fence. By popular demand, LWRC confirmed that they are working on a 9x19mm version of the SMG-45, but did not confirm a release date. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. I'm extremely excited to hopefully put some rounds through one eventually. Suppressed is pure butter, flat and fast. . SHTF Preparedness. The result is an extremely high damage per shot for an engineer weapon, as well as increased damage multipliers to the limbs and a slightly increased damage multiplier to the head. I have an interesting range report for you. Pistol forearm brace Magpul singlepoint sling Holosun HE510C-GR . "Need" is a slope of slipperiness in dubious exercising. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. The short 8.5 inch cold hammer-forged chrome-moly steel barrel is tough enough for hard duty use and will last thousands of rounds. FS/FT NEW - RADICAL FIREARMS RF-15 RIFLES AVAILABLE IN 5.56, 300 BLACKOUT, AND 7.62X39 FS Tag Heuer Formula 1 Chronograph (New Updates! Like the Glock 19x, Sig MCX Rattler, FN 509, and many other firearms originally developed for contracts, the LWRC SMG-45 popularity draws increasing demand from civilian customers. Pasted as rich text. LWRCI SMG 45 Specifications Make: LWRC International Model: SMG 45 Action Type: short-recoil-delayed, blowback-operated, semi-automatic, center-fire pistol Chambering: .45 ACP . I don't feel like such a moron when I clean it. It features an adjustable length of pull and, based on the two screws seen in the top tube, possibly a facility for future cheek rests. Report a problem. Realistically, its no different from all the tools who grew up reading too much Soldier of Fortune in the 70s and 80s. Update on my Non-V1 Magazine. Considering the APC9 is in 9mm and its DI Buffer system is very efficient I think that is a huge complement to have the same recoil as something shooting a bullet half the size. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. For 3k price, I will go for a top of the line Wilson Combat AR pistol that takes glock mag AND with the rest of the money get a Glock 19 that also takes Glock mag. The highly anticipated SMG model is built on an AR platform with innovations and high performance features you expect from an LWRCI. Jeremy is TTAG's Deputy Editor, working mostly behind the scenes but, when he attempts to write, he focuses on comprehensive gun & gear reviews. Not to go too far off topic but Perhaps HK UMP, since they set the Mk. I have been thinking about one of these or the B & T apc 45 but both seem to have issues. Pretty sweet but lots of issues. Trick #3: On reassembly barrel 1/4 turn ccw - collar angle section (a) visible (down), and (b) toward front Meet the first model in the SMG Family - the new LWRCI SMG .45 Pistol. Maybe they had a vote, maybe its something else but it is what it is. Mine has been flawless and is fun to shoot. Money better spent on More AMMO. Is it classified as a pistol? Maybe true on the out side, but NOT on the inside. His reviews on BEnos are what steered me away from buying one. I stuck with it, kept shooting, and after I had about 500 rounds down-range, that problem settled and I'm now getting consistent groups and solid accuracy both suppressed, and unsuppressed. Solid feel but distributed well across the entire platform. Im just concerned about the accuracy. Designed on our proprietary Short Recoil/Delayed Blowback operating system the new SMG is lightweight - 5.9 lbs and . actually the .45acp is within the top 5 sold pistol cartridges. I wouldnt say he hated it . Im putting some possible rationale behind the decision with all that, and you cant deny it, but you dont have to agree or like it. $10.40. It's a tack driver, takes Glock mags, and cost 1/3 of what the LWRC cost. Dumped the LWRCi. After the eternal wait to finally get my fingers on it this is one amazing toy! Magazines in mine feeding great now. Stove piped 3 out of 5 shots. The LWRC SMG-45 Crown is a Submachine Gun. Until .45 PCCs are more reasonable in price ill pass. The Vector is just the new hotness. no info: . Needs a booster if you want to use a can. Answer (1 of 15): The AR market is so flush right now that that the cheapest AR style rifle is actually an AR-15. Privacy Policy. Curious, do yall know if this one will handle .45 Super? Got a HK German spring for it. I was told by the folks there at LWRC that it is a magazine problem for sure .they now ship all the guns with upgraded magazines. Overall, If you have a pistol chambered in 45, this gun is a perfect fit for you due to ammunition compatibility, but if you do not, it is still a viable home defense option by itself alone. Comes with two magazines. Last I was told engineering team is working on solutions. Keep those in mind, and follow the online videos, and eventually you'll muscle through reassembly. It's such a great little package on 45. New From LWRC: SMG-45 .45 ACP SBR and Pistol, NYT Reporter: LaPierre Unanimously Re-Elected, Its Official: LaPierre, All NRA Officers Unanimously Re-Elected Without Opposition, Meadows Elected President, Kiger Updates the 9c Compact With the New Kiger-9c Pro 9mm Pistol, Smith & Wesson Announces the New M&P FPC Pistol Caliber Carbine, Whats In Your Wallet? The magazine has been loaded but the gun has never been fired. Fucker shifts all over the place. At least with a muffler all you get is old guys who tell you its illegal but since they think its illegal they dont want to play with it. Muzzle is threaded. Question any one have one of the new smg with the 4 in the serial number? Not to mention how many people with SMG/PDW/pistols/whatever put cans on them? If you don't have an optic yet, then no worries it ships with robust Magpul MBUS PRO backup iron sights that won't fail you when it counts. Accuracy has been good not great, but Im still getting used to the short LOP of the brace. The other shot just fine. Cool gunhaving one would just make me wish it was an UMP though. You running it with a can? Aug . Runs great with octane 45 [deleted] 20 days ago Most notably, whatever you keep on your nightstand or on your hip. April 29, 2019 at 23:33 Look at the no-name guy who got a million hits for his new Python failing video. Found a Kriss Vector in .45 for a third of the price that shot a much tighter group. Immediately bought 5 extra mags from HKparts.net (US made - they worked well and much less than German HK). Thus, its just an interesting photo on the interwebs. ICA5U5B16. This SMG-45 is in excellent condition and comes with (2) 25 round magazines, pistol grip tools, manual, and the original box. I hope that LWRC gets the kinks ironed out expeditiously. After firing almost 1000 rounds, all the mags loosened up. I'd pass. I like it more each time I take it out. Now they pass on the cost to the citizen.