This powder, like other very fast pistol powders, are not good for higher velocity ammunition and really only good for budget shooting ammo, competitions, or standard pressure ammo. He harvested his first turkey and whitetail deer at age 5 and completed his turkey grand slam by age 11. What we load doesn't mean it will be safe for you. Soon I got a lot more comfortable as I did it a lot. It's accurate and reliable. It's for practice, not for competition. All calculations were done by hand using formulas, please let me know if anything seems off. I was happy at 4.0 gr in M&P 9 and Sig p938. Lee, Lyman, Hodgdon, Hornady, all sorts of manuals have data. Speer says 4.5gr is max, Lyman say 4.5gr is max w/ 115gr bullets, so I am having a diff time digesting your data. Better like this than some of the disasters I've seen where someone basically takes a wild guess at something. A plated bullet (Berry's, Rainier Ballistics) falls between the two. and 8 lb. For instance I use Montana Gold hollow points and consider them to be pretty much the same as Speer/Hornady. I remember seeing something similar here long time back. is 1.150" with Hornandy bullets. Berry's RN plated, 4.0gr Titegroup 1.143" OAL No issues running in STI Spartan, Glock 26,19,17 & 34 or my 9mm AR I put together with a NES YHM lower. The loads highlighted in yellow are those that I found work best for me. Thanks for the input everyone! I have seen anything from 3.7-4.4 grains recommended. Its makes your gun a somewhat heat machine. I'm hoping this data may help some others that are looking for some data with Titegroup powder. I have found it to be very accurate, and prefer it over my power pistol loads. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DSbEZeGeToe2YIoHyMXMjO9Oyp_dvQEM7VJ3tqfdwg0/edit?usp=sharing. Its easy to double charge your rounds, as you will barely notice. Titegroup 9mm Load Data | Northwest Firearms Zach has several friends that are getting into reloading shotshells because of Zachs reloads. Runs 100% reliable in everything, including 9mm AR and Beretta CX4 Storm. . As an fyi, stay away from the 147gr berrys with titegroup. You say that now. The maxorder quantity of any powder SKU is, https://shop.hodgdon.com/sites/www/files/2022-04/2022-Hodgdon%20Spherical%20Pow. Used Titegroup and a variety of different weight and mfg bullets. Brian Neace grew up in Southern Idaho in the Snake River Plain, surrounded by miles and miles of high desert to the north and bordered on the south by public wilderness. In addition, she is also an outdoor writer and photographer, as well as a national seminar speaker. Both are off according to the newer data I am not afraid to pull them apart and use data that I can easily find and a powder that has more bullets listed for it. May 7, 2012 9mm 124 gr FMJ 1.15" COL 4.3 gr Titegroup (a little hot) There aint nothin like the smell of burnt gunpowder in the mornin. For 231 I used 4.3 gr @ 1.130" OAL. She has been named as a co-host on Shooting Gallery on the Outdoor Channel. When I first learned it was long before Algore had invented the net. Need to be careful with plated bullets because not all are created equal. I found anything much lower to be too weak. Do not load above recommended manufacturer book maximums. I used 4.5 grains of Titegroup with a 115 grain Berry's FMJ bullet and an OAL of 1.125 to 1.130. Quickly he was attending weekly, monthly, and annual shoots, which included Nebraska state, USAYESS, and many more. We place limited powder inventory for sale on a regular basis on our website. After taking up competitive shooting in 2016, she, won the Precision Rifle Series Production division in 2017 with her Savage Stealth. I try to use a longer than suggested OAL just help with pressures etc. He is a four-time World Champion, 13-time National Champion, the only Triple Crown winner in Action Shooting Sports and has 600+ (and counting) local and regional shooting competitions. In Pistols and Revolvers.. Its no wonder so many people love this powder for their economical loads, its cheap AND accurate. I shot a lot of Sta-Ball 6.5 and it worked well beyond expectations. A couple months later, Zach shot USAYESS competition in Grand Island. OAL is about 1.139 give or take. I don`t recall my OAL for either without looking in my load notebook. Sorry for posting so many times in a row but I just got some new information. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Thanks guys. Again, plated & FMJ are NOT the same, close but not the same. Nam Vet, TiteGroup burns too fast for 9mm. With velocities at 1046 to 1119. In 1999, George opened GA Precision after apprenticing with three gunsmiths. I do know its about mid charge range tho. 100% of all my handloads are done withHodgdonbrands. I was intrigued with 3-Gun since, as a police officer, I relied on all three platforms at work. A lead bullet is a lead bullet as long as were talking a medium hardness. Baseball won over for a time when it took him to Gonzaga University on scholarship as a pitcher for the Bulldogs. Hodgdon Titegroup I'll be firing it through either the Glock 19 or 43. Maybe Ill do another test with the chrono 10ft away and see if I get any difference in results, thanks. It can be very dangerous because its so fast burning. JavaScript is disabled. Jan 30, 2011 (Edited) I can't seem to find the load data for 115gr FMJ w/Titegroup powder online or in the Lyman 49th manual. Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. The largest difference was just over 1fps over a 10 shot average. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Im liking the W231 better as of late in the 9mm tho. 4 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: 6 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. In cases like this 9mm I would use the start data for the next heavier slug if that was there. Sign up to get updates and access to exclusive promotions. Sowhat about Titegroup and what do some cases look like? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. ABOUT WALKER: Walker is 15 years old and has hunted from Africa to Hawaii, and several places in between, including the Yukon in Canada. But we're just a free cock punch away from finding out how badass you really are. I am also using the Xtreme bullets. (3.2-3.6g from the Hodgdon website). I saw that there, Rusty, but I need data for FMJ, not HP. 10-12 ft according to my chronos instructions inorder to prevent getting false readings due to the muzzle blast. Notes: Chronograph figures are for five rounds taken with the start screen at approximately 6 feet. By 2011, she sold her farm and all of her horses to focus on 3-Gun and the 2nd Amendment. I dont think i would worry about it. Starting Load Grains 4.9 Velocity (ft/s) 1,124 Pressure 28,800 PSI Maximum Load Grains 5.4 Velocity (ft/s) 1,209 Pressure 33,800 PSI Barrel Length: 4" Case: Winchester Primer: CCI 500, Small Pistol Trim Length: .750" Twist: 1:10" 115 GR. My conclusion is that a 115 gr. Except that is going to be huge high pressure and very dangerous. I use the Caldwell chrono and it statesthat the unit must be 10-15 ft from the muzzle for the reading. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. She has also competed for the USA in two Pan-American Shotgun matches and the 2015 IPSC World Shotgun Ladies team that brought home gold! JavaScript is disabled. Appreciate the input. Nuts accurate. You need to get teh double disc kit. If you don't mind my asking, where did your recipe come from? 3.4 gr. Otherwise I would go 10% below the start for the closest slug the book had. They are snappy, but fun to shoot. Those who would emasculate Americans by denying them the right to bear arms are guilty of aiding and abetting evil when it strikes. Thanks all. All bullets were taper crimped as a separate step in the handloading . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I have spent a lot of time perusing through the 9mm Reloading section and it seems that most folks who are using 124gr FMJ & JHP bullets with Titegroup are loading their cases with 4.0gr to 4.2gr of powder. In fact, Jake has compiled more wins than any other Shooter in the United States at national level Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League events during that span. As the name implies, this spherical propellant was designed for accuracy. Upload or insert images from URL. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. As of 2014, Ryan and Dianna have become full time hunters and competitors, focusing most predominately on 3-Gun. I didn't think 4.5 grains was a max load either, because on the Titegroup container it says that for 115gr Speer GDHP max load is 4.8 gr. I'm thinken a 124 cast over 4.0 of titegroup has anyone tried that. This is my first time posting a link to a google sheets doc. Later, he started a granite countertop business allows him the time to pursue his passion for long-range shooting and high-country public land mule deer and elk hunting. containers. Boris_La . Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. It's the cheapest and most available powder for 9mm in my area. My guess is 900 FPS jacketed load is getting close to not being able to guarantee the bullet always leaving the barrel, where a 1000 FPS load is more certain. YMMV. Hodgdon.com says 3.9-4.3gr for LRN. I ended up finding data for it on the instructions for the powder measure. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. Paste as plain text instead, Since opening GA Precision, George has been building some of the finest precision bolt guns and custom rifles. So you are saying you found data specificly for Berry's plated & TG? WARNING: This product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. Posted by David Blankenship on Aug 12th 2022. 9mm/38 Caliber 9mm Load Data With Titegroup Powder 9mm Load Data With Titegroup Powder By looking4reloadingdeals December 31, 2019 in 9mm/38 Caliber Share Followers 0 Reply to this topic Start new topic 513 Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) Hello everyone, I have been putting together some load data for some of the loads I use commonly. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. Does anyone have a link to somewhere with this info? Unique - 5.7 gn - 1250 fps. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser settings before proceeding. 1.100 in. A precision rifle enthusiast and owner of GA Precision, George likely needs little introduction. Velocities taken at ~4-5 feet from barrel. After graduating college, Ryan moved to Tulsa, OK to take a position as a plastics engineer and in 2011 began shooting 3-Gun competitively. My brother gave me some Titegroup. Phillip Velayo currently serves as Gunwerks Long Range University Lead Instructor. You can find Ryan on Shooting Gallery on The Outdoor Channel, and Realtree.com. I use 4.5 gns with Federal primers loaded to an OAL of 1.130. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. I want to be safe. Recently, well, a few months back, I loaded a thousand of the X-Treme 124gr PRN for my neighbor. You don't want to just use data from a similar bullet. Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by jell-dog, Mar 14, 2017. Thanks for your patience. Reloading is a personal responsibility and you must start low and work up and NEVER ASSUME. 9mm Load Data - PowderThrough.com Me thinks not, but I could be wrong. Like many reloaders I ended up with 6 or 7 different powders for my pistols until I shot 5 rounds from each similar FPS loads from a bench. Make an introduction to Jake and youll instantly receive a big grin and firm handshake. Your link has been automatically embedded. The bullets I have available are 124gr/125gr plated and jacketed and 147gr plated. Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. A devoted husband and father, Jake has formal degrees in sports medicine and youth ministry. He was trained as an armorer in the US Army, where he spent six years as a Military Police Investigator. Hmmm, I use the .40 cavity and get pretty consistent 4.5gn drops with Titegroup. Ryan and Dianna continue to not only compete, but train and film all over the country. 4.2, 1.155 coal will work well. A longtime resident of Virginia, Todd competes in over 16 different shooting disciplines (to include USPSA, 3-Gun, Steel Challenge, IDPA, Olympic Rapid Fire, Shotgun Shooting Sports). Some flake powders have a wider range and they need it because they meter poorly. Jaclyn has also taken up Extreme Long Range matches, including King of Two Miles in New Mexico, where she placed 14th out of 80 invited competitors. More details in the thread in Tech Support for those who are interested. Growing up on a secluded farm in rural southeast Kansas, Ryan spent the greater part of his childhood in the woods, plinking and hunting. Early on, its pointy full-metal-jacket rounds gave the 9x19mm a reputation as a horrible antipersonnel round. Varget and H-4350 are the go to but since Ive been running some IMR Enduron powders that seem to work very good as well. The terrain in Southern Idaho often requires a hunter to be able to take shots at 400 yards and well beyond. In Brians first full season, he achieved several top ten finishes, two regional match wins, and a 20thplace overall finish in the National Rifle League. I just loaded 1000 124 grain plated bullets with 4.2 grains of Titegroup. Hope this helps some others develop some loads. CFE Pistol & Titegroup loads for 115GR Plated RN 9MM A forum community dedicated to Glock firearm owners and enthusiasts. Powered by Invision Community. We do not take backorders and our Tech Services team cannot take orders via email or phone. At first I was a little leery when I could not find the exact bullet I wanted to use with the powder I was using. I use titegroup for 9mm using the Lee charge disk on my turret press. Shooting steel plates or need to shoot fast? Need a 9MM hornady load data check please | Glock Talk I ended up finding data for it on the instructions for the powder measure. I consider the type of bullet. I've had good luck with 3.4gr of Titegroup with the 147fmj boolit. RN for about 10 years with excellent results in my Glocks and STI pistols. Titegroups unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. JavaScript is disabled. TiteGroup fpr 9mm | Ruger Forum It may not display this or other websites correctly. Dianna currently competes in the role of Captain for Team Benelli. You will get better accuracy and much better function with a mid-burn rate powder such as Unique, Universal, AA#5, or Power Pistol. A licensed Montana Professional Outfitter and Guide freelance writer, his articles and photographs have been featured in magazines including Outdoor Life, American Hunter, American Rifleman, Field and Stream. Depending upon the cartridge overall length. Load two according to the new data for the 124gr XTP has an OAL 1.140 with a power range of 3.6 to 4.1 grains that would make this unsafe. I usually use the data for lead bullets when i load plated ones. 9mm titegroup load data - Calguns.net Nov 7, 2015. Close w/ TG can be problematic. Still using 4.0 Grains of Titegroup with 124 Gr Jacketed and 3.6 Gr. containers. . Ryan has volunteered for HAVA and Freedom Hunters events getting wounded vets into competition and/or hunting. This section shows you A LOT of information about 9 MM powders and how they compete against each other using the same brass, same bullet, same OAL, same primer, same gun, same day, same conditions..the only thing that is different is the powder. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Primer Notes; Accurate - Nitro 100 NF: 115 gr. Titegroup works very well for the load I am using on a wildcat. An avid shooter and outdoorsman, George takes pride in the quality custom rifles that G.A. Hodgdon Titegroup | Hodgdon Hodgdon Titegroup: Quest for the Perfect 9mm Hand Load Part 10 I am using TiteGroup for 9mm, but I`m loading 124 gr. They're mostly for use in an M11/9 submachinegun but they work fine in a S&W Shield also. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. I have an old Lee maual, but it doesn't have any info on Titegroup. After starting a life and career in Tulsa, she pursued barrel racing until she found 3-Gun in 2009. Diannas also won the 2015 NRA World Shooting Championship Ladies title. That will allow you to get a finer-tuned powder drop. I use tight group for 9mm. I tried to make it "view only", if for some reason it does not come across that way please don't edit the document and let me know so I can adjust it. Reply Quote. 9mm load for 124gr with Titegroup - Northeastshooters.com Forums All of them are asking their parents for shotshell presses now. behind a 115gr. 4.2 of titegroup over a 124FMJ is my 9mm load. LOL. He took his first turkey and mule deer at age 6 and his first bull elk at age 9. This is a flattened spherical powder. All I ever used was Bullseye powderlove it. Phillip is a 10-year Marine Corps veteran having served his whole career in the Scout Sniper community. Load data for 147g coated bullet with titegroup - 9mm/38 Caliber My M&P and G34 love the 115 and 124s, but the 147s won't group for crap in either gun with any load and I took it up to 3.9 which is pretty hot. Titegroup is what people generally buy when they are trying to make budget loads, and the general best Titegroup loads are between 3-4 grains of powder only, so you can load a lot of rounds with just 1 pound. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. Wyatt has won numerous elk calling competitions at the ISE Best of the West Elk Calling Competition. From their home in Montana, Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha follows Chad, Marsha and their two boys-Walker and Wyatt-across the world in hunting adventures. Here is what I have to work with and have used a combination of 3 books, 3 magazines, and self-reported loads from the interwebs. I use 3.5g Titegroup under a 147g JHP. Cowboy Action, Bullseye and Combat Shooters should love this one! He play trumpet in the Junior High Band and I am an honor roll student at St. Pats. I could manually measure amounts in the middle of the range, but I'd rather use the AutoDisk, which has cavities with volumes corresponding to the edges of the recommended range. The .357 Sig handloads could have been loaded even hotter. looking4reloadingdeals Went out and tested 4 more loads today (2 of the same load) and got extremely similar results. The snubnosed .38 and .45 ACP handloads also turned in good results. Its popularity soared after World War II, and the U.S. military adopted the 9x19mm as its service pistol round in 1985. He also placed second in the World Elk Calling competition. 9mm+P Loads? - 24hourcampfire Through shooting, Zach has met many people in the shooting community. I didn't think I was moving that fast, I just didn't know that I couldn't use FMJ data for the Berry's bullets. Skip this one, you can do better. 125 gn bullets: Titegroup - 3.8 gn - 1100 fps. Wish i could find it again. For 9mm, with Sierra 115 fmj, 4.8gr of Titegroup. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I haven't shot any yet but it would be disappointing if I had to pull 150 bullets. BrianEnos.com Load at your own risk. Be sure to enter theNES/MFS March Giveaway ***Taurus G3c***. Still using same load years later and it's a good round. Tested 3.6-4.0 gr titegroup with berry's RN 124, col 1.150. Every match Ive been to that chronoshas the chrono set up at least 10 ft away. There simply isn't much load data for the super-heavy 9mm bullets. I always set up my chrono at 10ft from the muzzle. First reloading experience was disappointing until I learned the process and started making very consistent ammo. with 125 Gr Blue Bullets. After serving his country, George spent 20 years serving his community as a police officer. I used 4.5 grains of Titegroup with a 115 grain Berry's FMJ bullet and an OAL of 1.125 to 1.130. If you work from the max COL until they feed from the magazine and chamber correctly, you should find your ideal COL. My standard load is 124gr. Just In the 2019 season, he will compete in twelve two-day national matches and 15 regional matches across the country, totaling 4,170 precision hand-loaded match rounds burning roughly 131,355 grains (18.75 pounds) of Varget in matches alone. The 9mm Makarov and 9mm Luger velocities of 1,000 fps and 1,100 fps respectively were quite respectable, especially in the short-barreled SIG SAUER P365. Loading is always at your own risk. Makes a difference the JHP will be a little hot for FMJ - assuming you are not making SD rounds. I got the Titegroup on a recommendation. Starting at mid range up to max. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, training, shows, accessories, classifieds, and more! I wonder why the difference. In 2016, she plans to lead a delegate of women to Capitol Hill in an effort to give legislators a face to put with gun owners. Gaige Grosskreutz -- The Felon Shot By Kyle Rittenhouse. Each week the Schearer family will hunt with a variety of weapons from archery, muzzleloader and shotgun to centerfire rifles and will not only focus on the hunt, but will be filled with educational tips to make the viewers better sportsmen and sportswomen. I use Titegroup in my sig p320. I will be shooting mostly target at the range, 150-200 rounds per visit. I am doing 3.7gr of Titegroup 124gr bullet. and seated them to 1.150" as best as I recall. MM thanks for that comment on the adjustable charge bar. The google sheet has been updated for those interested in the difference or who want to reference the sheet. Obligatory start low and work your way up For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Why? In 2015, Ryan and Dianna traveled to over 36 events across the world, including Italy and New Zealand. I have looked at the factroy specs but I was looking for some input on loads that others use. Unlike pistol powders of the past, powder position in large cases (45 Colt, 357 Magnum and others) has virtually no effect on velocity and performance. Nuff said. I looked at 9mm load data for 115, 124, 147gr and the range for Titegroup is, well, tight. Panel recommends more gun restrictions to lower military suicides, 12ga progressive reloader Ponsness Warren, (250) Hornady XTP 45 Cal 300gr Projectiles, Vintage Bushnell ScopeChief 22LR 4x scope. What's the difference between the Berry's plated bullets and FMJ? I dont remember my powder charger right off the top of my head. Phillip is also well known as a nationally ranked precision rifle competitor in the Precision Rifle Series and National Rifle League circuits. Chad is also the Director of Advertising & Media Relations for CVA Muzzleloaders, PowerBelt Bullets, Bergara USA, DuraSight Rings and Bases, Quake Industries and Konus Optics. All but 2-3 of those are with handloadedammo. I sold off all except Titegroup. No Charges? I really enjoy the community as well as the sport. I have been all over the internet looking for a good, sound load for my 9mm. FYI, when you think about it..even the amount of crimp can/will/could affect things. I shoot X-treme plated at 4.1 grains. It's for practice, not for competition. Probably saved me some money. My question is how much would you load into a 158gr bullet. ABOUT MARSHA: Marsha is the co-host of Shoot Straight with Chad & Marsha and is a Licensed Montana Professional Guide. The more inexpensive "competition" powder. Many of these are 131-135 PF, which are plausible competition loads. Is this not a safe load? An avid outdoorsman, he enjoys hunting and fishing with his family and mentoring youth through his ministry service. All loads used Winchester Small Pistol primers. During his time, Phillip completed 4 overseas deployments and served in all billets available to a Scout Sniper, to include Scout Sniper Team Leader, Chief Scout Sniper, and Scout Sniper Instructor. I got the adjustable charge bar for rifle loads and tried it out with titegroup and it did not work. RCBS 9mm-125-RN-GC 123 TiteGroup 4.4 1045 129 . Test gun is a HK P30L, which has about a 4.75" barrel. Believe me, I'm not TRYING to stretch or bend any rules. In my time I have worked on improving myself to take it as high as I can. Load Data - The Blue Bullets The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. And how are you metering 3.3gr? The Lyman 44th Edition has data for Bullseye, Red Dot, Unique and Herco for 158 grain cast lead bullets . Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I know a lot of USPSA shooters who use it for their 9mm minor loads. A lot of this powder fits in a case, over 10 grains, easily. As it says on bottle, a little goes a long way.. She has a passion to introduce the shooting sports and showcase gun owners and the 2nd Amendment in a positive light. You accidentally load this into a rifle, or a larger pistol cartridge, its super dangerous. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. Loading 9mm RN with Titegroup data - Northeastshooters.com Forums Then work up from there. He has over 35 years experience in shooting, with approximately 50 tons of projectiles downrange with the assistance of Hodgdon Powder. His last three years of service were spent at the 1st Marine Division Scout Sniper School as the Primary Marksmanship Instructor. I have the Hornady manual, but nothing about Titegroup in the manual for 9mm. Reloading Heavy Bullets in 9mm Luger - Shooting Times I am really enjoying reloading 45 ACP on my Lee classic loader. Phillip has attended all follow-on formal Scout Sniper courses, having graduated with honors and recognized as High Shooter from all. As with any load data posted on the internet, please start testing low and work your way up. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. By Retired LEO/Rangemaster, Glock armorer, pistol instructor, Endowment NRA member. TiteGroup | Ruger Forum Makes 900fps out of my G17. /wp-content/uploads/2016/08/HODGDON_LOGO_DARK.png, https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/titegroup_1_lb.jpg. Titegroup has it all - low charge weight, burns clean, mild muzzle report and superb, uniform ballistics. I didn't use TG; it was Longshot (or WW452AA?) Unique - 4.6 gn - 1100 fps. Titegroup's unique design provides flawless ignition with all types of primers, including lead-free versions. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! I have some Titegroup I am planning on using in 9mm. All I had was word of mouth and books. 9mm has a rather consistent 115gr OAL. Better to be too careful than blow something up. Works good in everything from my 1911 to Glock YMMV. I'll just try out 10-20 rds at min load and see how they go. After looking at my previous set ups, the chrono was likely at about 7 feet, not 5. I have been trying to get a 9mm 124gr RN load to reach 1200fps. If you can't find a properly developed published load for that combination, do yourself a favor: Call Hodgdon, and ask them for the specific load data. Started at 3.8 but it would not cycle my guns correctly so had to up it. Generally speaking, ~3.3 grains of Titegroup using a 147 grain bullet is about as vanilla of a competition load as it gets.